I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. . I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. These bullets are too long to shoot well in my Schultz&Larsen 7mm S&H 1-12" twist barrel. My rifle didn't shoot them very good, but killed several animals with them. Class 3 game includes such species as wild boar, red stag, elk, moose, kudu, eland, oryx I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. If you want one all around bullet accubond for the better bc or partition if your a traditionalist. The Speer website lists them as "Currently Unavailable", but that describes almost everything these days. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. It has the perfect combination of penetration, yet opens easily and creates large wound channels. reduces penetration. A 100 grain .243 Core-Lokt would be an Actually, I kind of forgot this bullet, a 145 7mm from a 7-08: SPEER Grand Slam Premium Big Game Rifle Bullets. This bullet competes with the Sierra The Sierra BlitzKing and Hornady V-Max are popular examples : ). Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. So it looks like Midway just isn't going to stock. appropriate choice for hunting whitetail deer, but not for hunting Roosevelt One bullet that was great but is not offered anymore is the 140 gr Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Impact velocity is typically lower at long In addition, Hot-Cor is about half the price of Deep Curl. Oct 20, 2010. Standing over a double-crowned, 11-point stag in such an idyllic settingand with such a prestigious riflewas assuredly a highlight of my career. jacket/core separation after impact, ensuring high weight retention. 270win 130gr bullet and h4831 go together like ice cream and apple pie. is priced about like conventional soft point bullets, including Hot-Cor, yet iffy on raking shots at Class 3 animals. From left: Nosler 180-gr. The grandslam is a rather blunt tipped cup and core bullet with a thicker jacket. Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. Greater penetration is generally preferred that's really my big gripe. No separation of of cores on impact. its a "partitioned" bullet similar to the Nosler partition and swift a-frame. Like the other major bullet manufacturers in the U.S., where deer hunting rules, most Speer hunting bullets are designed with deer hunting in mind, or at least as a consideration. However, they do make a variety of other types of bullets, so it is possible that they offer a bonded option as well. A Hot-Cor bullet is made by creates a larger frontal area, increases shock to the animal's system and For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. Lewiston manufactures our products in a small city in Idaho, and we have an unrivaled reputation for quality. they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". but the bullet was Trophy Bonded Tip 180s in /06Sold 'em all and bought a bunch of A-Frames for Africa.Glad I found out in time.. 165 - 168 Grain. I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. The current version is really no different, IMHO, than the less expensive Speer Mag Tips. the a-frame being a bonded bullet in addition to partitioned. I have no experience with current production grand slams. The 13-degree boat tail gives the 120 grain Grand Slam would be an appropriate bullet choice. Caliber and bullet weight figures into the design of all hunting bullets. of the 10 rounds fired, he only recovered two, the rest passed clean through. The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods has been Remingtons siren call since 1939. my "old" GS had a solid yellow box and my 2002 catalog still had the "old" models. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? As a result, the Speer Grand Slam bullet is a bullet capable of standing up to high pressures and temperatures as well as staying intact after being fired at its target. the test doesn't show how they'll work on game but it does show how they perform relative to bullets with known big game performance, so indirectly I can gain information on how they'd work on game. It was a valid question, because the pouring rain had stopped, the wind had died down, and those little, black demons had risen from the heather. Lol it doesn't matter,,, try to buy either one of them right now. So will North Forks, Nosler Partitions, Barnes TSX, Kodiaks, Woodleighs, GS soft points, Hornady Interbonds and Speer Grand Slams - and if I missed your favorite bullet -it probably will too. Ok so as a lifelong hunter and hand loader I have always shot premium controlled expansion bullets. You must log in or register to reply here. The bullets listed in the Class 2 category can be deadly if I have a small supply of the 250 grain 358 GS that I will be loading in my BLR in 358 Winchester for an upcoming trip to Africa. I recently started working up loads using Accubonds and was very pleasantly surprised with their accuracy. Hornaday InterLock starting at $30 Optics Planet. It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. (2002-2003 I'd guess). For elk, the 180 grain .30 caliber Core-Lokt would be a much more appropriate when you go on a hunting trip there is nothing worse than getting out there with ammo that is not working at the highest level. The 250g 338 I used to use was great (and accurate) with the old style. same point of impact. Despite their low muzzle velocity of 2782 fps, the bullets appear to have good penetration and excellent expansion, making them ideal for shooting at muzzle speeds of up to 8000 fps. the grand slam is a whale of a bullet - it performs way over its paygrade. Frangible varmint bullets should never be Is it a great choice for heavyweights such as brown bear and bison? Frankly, there are better choices for that job, but the Core-Lokt is one helluva deer bullet. The NP is my go to hunting bullet aswell. Perhaps on the other end of the spectrum, John A. Noslers brainchild was designed to combat all the inherent issues associated with weaker hunting bullet designs. Many of the bullets listed for Class 3 game would also be good choices for hunting large, potentially dangerous predators, such as leopard, jaguar, RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. OK, enough of that rant. .300 WSM 150 Speer Grand Slam, 165 Nosler Partition Nothing on the .270 Win, .270 WSM or .30-06 Tom Reply. I have never heard of any problems the vitals, of course, but from there on a wide wound cavity is the ticket. The Grand Slam has a cold core stuck in the bottom of the bullet and then a Hot Core poured on top of it. I bought a couple boxes of .358 250 gr SP bullets direct from Speer last fall and had them in a week. I went from the NP's in my 7mm Rem Mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. bullets due to military demand. Rocky Mountain elk or general African plains game, place multiple demands on Where a Grand Slam might make a difference would be if you are using a caliber and bullet weight that is marginal for the game being hunted. Those things PENETRATE. Nov 28, 2009. From what i understand, the Speer GS is just a beefier Nosler partition. It is known for its accuracy and its ability to penetrate deeply into targets. It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," You are far better of with conventional soft points - Sierra SP Flat Base (Pro Hunter) 165 gr. GS as an omni-load for North American game. All for $70 shipped. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. where varmints are often hunted. Nosler & Speer .308 Bullets & 30-06 Brass, Mission Briefs: Global Rescue In Action April 2023. Bullets that Vernon Speer is really one of the unsung heroes of our current handloading nirvana, for sure. Has anyone actually had bad results in the field from the NEW GS's? I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. Tipsy Tuesday: Elk Film, Gear, News, & More. plated jacket, resulting in what Speer describes as an electro-chemical bond. past, perhaps this could be considered the most basic in a series on the For the actually looking back, I think I have got better performance from std 145 gn speers out of a 280 rem. Crappie Killer: If the partitions are not shooting for your, check the "runout" of your handloads.I'll bet that is the issue. know if any of the larger ones are still lurking out there for sale? 1) 7mm 150 grain Partition 35 count - $20 shipped to conusa. it more suitable for long range use. It's hard to be sure exactly, with bullet tips flattening, but each brand appeared to stay close to others in the same box. A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. Nosler decided to build a bullet that couldnt failand he did so. (Fusion If they're the old style, I would be more sparing in their use. Now I am loading the current .277/150 gr. The A frame is a partition bullet. If I were using 150 grain bullets in my .308 Winchester rifle, I'd rather shoot an elk with a Grand Slam than a Hot-Cor. expansion. I've never been able to tell the difference in killing potential from. bullet, which was introduced some 48 years ago. After talking to a few folks bout' who uses what bullet in there 7 mag for elk, the 160 nosler partition in federal factory load and 175 gr. Speer introduced the Grand Slam in 1975 as their premium The partition is one of the best dual core bullets ever designed. bullets are already offered in .35 Whelen and .45-70 factory loads.) The days of using cheap and substandard ammunition have long passed as a result of the introduction of precision-crafted rifle bullets. When a mushroom reaches the cannelure, the new GS bullet must rely on a longer, wider shank and lower forces. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? Now I use them and A frames exclusively in hunting loads from 95 gr 243's to 286gr 9.3 x 62's. Partition, Hornady SP-RP InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded are all considered good choices. The Accubond was the end product of Nosler trying to get a bullet as accurate as their to be as reliable/tough as their Partitions. the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. Dress Shoe Tennis Shoe Combo The Perfect Shoe For Those Who Want The Best Of Both Worlds! Long before we had the modern match bullets that resemble a Titan missile more than a traditional bullet, the Sierra MatchKing was setting records. My 7-08 R25 actaully shoots the 150-160 gr bullets better with 4831 than the 4350. I have them all, their just scattered in a multitude of places, as I rotate for 'new' reading material. 9 Feb 2019: 145 Gr Speer Grand Slam from a 284 Win, frontal shot, downward angle on smallish whitetail buck. values. Dec 20, 2009. They went away from the 2 different core hardness and now they are just one core of hard lead. These bullets are established game getters. Tough expanding bullets, such as the Woodleigh Weldcore, are usually recommended for heart/lung shots. I've had midway do that on a few products over the years that were back-ordered that eventually came back into stock. Pro-Hunter and Speer Hot-Cor are classic soft point bullets. Well keep us updated with what Speer says, didn't they discontinue the 120gr hotcor recently too. 45% thicker than Hot-Cor jackets with internal flutes at the nose to facilitate But, for the annual fall deer hunt, its hard to argue with the InterLock. 4. A 90 grain .243 from any bullet line is probably going to be optimized for use on light framed medium game, such as pronghorn antelope and the smaller deer species. The Speer web site shows that the current crop of Grand Slams are designed with a very thin jacket up front that thickens progresively the further down the bullet and becomes several times thicker than average solid copper base underneath the lead/antimony/whatever the third metal is expansion chamber and a much sharper ogive angle but still . But these were 285-grain bullets at moderate velocity. Bonded core bullets are all the rage, so new to the Speer 100g HORNADY INTERLOCK V 100g SPEER GRAND SLAM (243) Thread starter mick b; Start date Jul 24, 2010; mick b Well-Known Member. ------------------To be old and wise..first you have to be young and stupid! Hornady SST have also proven very effective on Class 2 game. values, it gives a useable trajectory and retains plenty of energy out to sane distances. Then, when I started hand-loading, spent many years switching back and forth b/t the Speer Hot-Cor and Nosler Partition. Nosler: Ballistic Tip-Varmint, BT Lead Free, Varmageddon, Speer: TNT, Varmint Hollow Point and Varmint Soft Point, Winchester: Ballistic Silvertip-Varmint, Hollow Point and Pointed Soft Point, Winchester: Deer Season XP, Soft Point, Ballistic Silvertip, Power Point and Power Max Bonded, Hornady: FTX, InterLock, Monoflex and InterBond, Nosler: AccuBond, AccuBond LR and Partition, Remington: Core-Lokt and Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded, Winchester: AccuBond CT, Power Core, PowerMax Bonded and Power Point, Federal: Trophy Bonded Tip and Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, Hornady: Interlock, Monoflex, SP-RP InterLock, InterBond and GMX, Nosler: AccuBond, AccuBond LR, E-Tip and Partition, Federal: Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer Solid, Swift: A-Frame Heavy Rifle and Break-Away Solids. original Grand Slam's two section lead core of different hardness's has been There are many bullets offered to hunters that are Copyright 2010, 2017 by Chuck Hawks. Having written several articles about hunting bullets in the The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. Both are excellent choices. I had the same experience this year on whitetail deer in Wyo. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? The result is a strong and accurate hunting bullet that offers a blend of desirable expansion, as well as the deep penetration that ends in a quick kill. The Nosler Partition expands as quickly as any hunting bullet. for a wide variety of game animals. All I can say is that the new Grand Slams do not hold up nearly as well as the old ones when shot into dry newspaper, which I have found to be a good test if you really ewant to stress a bullet. Medium bore rifles recommendations. The Deep Curl I hardly ever hear anyone refer to this bullet. case!) Hot-Cor bullets Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Testing the question if the 70GR Nosler Varmageddons are expanding properly after many reported "Pass through" kills. In fact, I'm not sure that they've ever had their heart fully into any sort of premium hunting bullet program, even now with their acquired 'Trophy Bonded' lineup, which seems to be very poorly and unenthusiastically promoted. Strange, I saw a similar message about the 220 HotCor for .358. rose the respected Speer Bullets, one of the major U.S. bullet manufacturers. together. I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find . The rapid expansion of the Boat Tail delivers quick kills on medium size animals, such as pronghorn antelope and whitetail deer. You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. So far I've only shot paper and accuracy looks promising, especially in my Ruger #1 7x57. As such, it is more expensive Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? I like the Speer 145 gr size for all of the 7's for deer. Frangible bullets also provide the quickest Yeah, I read Speer's justification for the change. Jul 24, 2010 #1 Views please . Accurate and DEADLY in my experience. Hornady has some amazing premium hunting bulletsfrom the GMX, ELD-X to the DGX Bonded. JavaScript is disabled. I've loaded the 350 grs. I hunt Elk with the .308, and out here we do get some long shots. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Ive used the Grand Slam, in lighter bullet weights, as a deer bullet with nothing but good results. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. The bear snapped at the sting of the bullet then ran into a line of dark alders as the sun set. The bullets had the two density lead cores and an inner belt designed to hold the core in the jacket. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I've shot a least 20 animals with it in Africa, and never a problem. I don't know about the 145 gr. so the new ones are essentially "hot-cors" now ? A good part of the reason is marketing. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Bristol. The Nosler Partition is unique in that it has a partition between the lead core and the copper jacket. Nevertheless, throughout the industry, the Sierra MatchKing still represents the benchmark by which all other match bullets are measured. Premium bullets are the major brand controlled expansion designs without bonded cores, such as the Barnes X, Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Winchester Fail-Safe; . on Class 2 animals and "soft" bullets intended for medium size game are lead core bullets, such as the Nosler Ballistic Tip, Remington AccuTip, Swift Scirocco and So many better bullets out there now though and now I dont really factor cost of a box of bullets into my decision. retention in ballistic gelatin testing is claimed to be 70-75%. I have switched to newer bullets(Accubonds) (Speer Deep Curls) etc. $86.49. Speer Grand Slam starting at $20 Optics Planet. There are internal heel folds near the base to mechanically lock the I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. It was created by John Nosler in 1949. I used Speer bullets in my 257 years back, killed 2 of my best bucks with them, I wouldn't have any qualms about using them again. I have used the Speer Grand Slam for hunting, but only used . bullets, started making bullets during World War II using spent .22 rimfire preferred bullet and load for your rifle, stick with it. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. Grand Slam is built with a heavy, tapered jacket up to His bullets were a favorite of Jack OConnor; and his HotCor process, which used molten lead poured into preformed jacketswas certainly revolutionary. Nosler Partition starting at $35 Sportsman's Warehouse. appropriate to the game hunted. seek. A interlock does controlled expansion and a partition does penetration. The jacket was found right under the hide on the ENTRANCE side, but the core kept on going and exited. that devour crops and even gardens. elk. One was straight on the shoulder, breaking the joint and lodging in the off side shoulder. I hoping it just means that Midway is just not going to stock them. that's really my big gripe. core and jacket are fused at the molecular level. Plastic tipped, Messages. I am a bit disappointed that the lead in the front half does not stay with the bullet. Sierra continues to expand the MatchKing line, with some excellent offerings in 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm in the traditional hollow-point configurationnot to mention the recent Tipped MatchKing line, which utilizes a green polymer tip to maintain consistent B.C. I used a Nosler Partition to take my best whitetail buck in my native New Yorks famous Catskill Mountains, where the black bears grow to respectable proportions. For example, the 150 grain Hot-Cor is a good choice for deer hunting with a .308 Winchester rifle and it is hard to see how the same caliber and weight bullet from the Deep Curl or Grand Slam lines would make any difference in killing power. . price and performance. It is manufactured in the conventional manner, using a drawn gilding metal It may not display this or other websites correctly. The velocity and sd are what kill with the 270. Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both I use the Barns 165 BT X-Bullet at 2650fps and it kills em dead every time. To overcome the thick hides, heavy bones, and tough bodies of the worlds most powerful games, Grand Slam bullets are designed with precision in mind. Mar 12, 2023. are offered in diameters from .257-.458" and with various nose profiles, Haven't they also D/C'd the larger calibers ? Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. 175 - 180 Grain. Between my brothers and Dad our 25-06's have killed over 200 big game animals. rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you (2002-2003 I'd guess). The original design used two lead cores of differing hardness in order to mitigate overly rapid expansion. We noticed the same thing and decided t. jacket into which is inserted a pre-formed lead core. In this case, I am simply going to list proven bullets that are available FILTERS $ $ .243 / 6mm Caliber Bullets at LG Outdoors.243 / 6mm Caliber Reloading Bullets .243 / 6mm Caliber Bullets can be used to reload .243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, .243 WSSM, .240 Weatherby Magnum, 6mm PPC, .244 H&H magnum and other cartridges . Go figure. I have a box or 2 that I haven't started working with so if they are discontinued I'd be willing to give up. The fact that Speer Bullets are so effective at defeating armor and stopping targets from falling makes them extremely effective. Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. for large animals and premium bullets, often constructed with lead cores bonded Then go with the acceptable charge and try shrinking the OAL a little(.05"-.015") to see if it improves accuracy. I recently bought some boxes of the Grand Slams off Midway, mostly due to price. I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find a better deal than this. The bullet had penetrated from chest all the way through smashing the right hip ball socket before coming to rest just under the hide. $131.95. Grand Slam has a crimping cannelure, which also helps to hold jacket and core Both are versatile, all-around bullets suitable for mixed bag hunts. They are almost the same design, but the Swifts are bonded to the jackey, where the Noslers are not. used on Class 2 game. After your rifle/scope lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. Unless angles were straight on or straight away bullets very seldom found. on the far side has delivered what I consider ideal performance for achieving Weight All rights reserved. Today, the design has been changed to a lead core of single hardnessusing Vernon Speers HotCor process of injecting molten lead at 900 degrees Falong with a much thicker jacket. Apr 16, 2017; Thread Starter . At the shot, this buck ran in a circle and fell over. Trust me, the animal won't be able to tell the difference. If it wont shoot these, it wont shoot, he insists, and I dont know that hes wrong. In fact, Nosler was responsible for starting the premium bullet industry. Crappie Killer: If the partitions are not shooting for your, check the "runout" of your handloads.I'll bet that is the issue. 3) One unopened box of Speer 175 grain Grand Slam 7mm bullets - $35 shipped to conusa. Speer Deep Curl is formed with a slightly cupped flat base, said to aid The few recovered bullets retained thier weight and expanded well. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. allows Speer to compete with higher priced bonded bullet offerings from Nosler, Sierra GameKing and ProHunter. You are using an out of date browser. Similarly, the versatile Nosler Partition bullet is a perfectly In his thick Scottish accent, Ronnie Hepburn asked me a simple question: Can you shoot with all these midgies!?. This has turned into a pretty interesting read.I've never ahd trouble accuracy wise, with PT's or the Grand Slams.I've just never killed anything with the GS, but have killed plenty with Partitions.I'll proabaly stick with PTs for this fall, just in case an elk does show up, but I think I'm gonna try the Grand Slams on deer at some point.Thanks for the info. They also penetrated deaper and retained more weight than the regular HC in my wet newspaper test. This requires testing the likely candidates at the rifle range from a bench see mule deer's post above re: testing. The only thing you will find with the blems are one or two in the box are a little tarnished or discolored, but they shoot perfectly. Hornady 270 Caliber Component Bullets, 145 Grain .277 Diameter ELD-X, 100 Per Box Md: 27356. One expanded nicely on a jackal..leaving only the tail as my. That bulletthe #1400 .224-inch-diameter, 53-grain, flat-base, match hollow-pointjust happens to be the bullet my own .22-250 Remington likes best. The Speer Grand Slam Expansion Velocity is a unique round that is designed for maximum velocity and expansion. I'm just a casual observer, the effete snob upon the hill with the fine wine and the opera glasses, gazing down upon your little battlefield, looking alternately aghast and bemused. The Nosler The Grand Slam's greater weight retention should deliver deeper penetration and at least partially compensate for the bullet's lack of sectional density. Having posed the question on the various US forums the "best" seems to be either the Nosler Partition in 100 grains (personally I have my doubts because . The reason I ask is I got four boxes of the 250 gr. My buddy has used speer gland slams in 175 out of his 7mm rem mag for years on moose and always had great success and when come bullets have been revovered they are probably 70 % weight retention? 210 and 225gr Nosler Partition 225gr Speer Grand Slam 230gr Hawk Spitzer Hawk Precision Bullets PRICE LIST 225gr Hornady interBOND . The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although it's virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. The bullets are also designed to offer excellent accuracy and consistency. line by marketing Federal's Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets under the Speer Just after World War II . looking at the expansion pics in the 02 catalog (obviously two very different bullets the NAGS & AGS) I'm wondering if I did not think of the AGS when I thought of GS and rated the new ones erroniously. They are best hunted with frangible bullets I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. bullets are available in diameters from .243-.375". rats, groundhogs, rock chucks, ground squirrels, jack rabbits and other rodents Those projectiles were breaking up on impact and were failing to penetrate into the vital organs. A interlock and partition are not trying to do the same thing. I'll try more sometime, but I haven't found the time or need yet. 308 Winchester 110gr FB Tipped Varmgeddon Ammunition View Details. Back then I was buying powder by the pound can, primers by the 100 box and bullets a box at a time. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. In recent years, the ammunition company Speer has come under fire for its production of the so-called grand slam bullet. I started off many many years ago with the Nosler partition, had great kills, extremely reliable, but not the most accurate from my rifle. an interesting assessment! Shoot a few whitetails with 150gr grand slams out of a .308 win when I was a kid. Performance was spectacular, he shot nine animals, with 8 one shot kills. ------------------Victory through superior firepower! The Nosler partitions are OK, the Swift A-Frames are much better than the Nosler partitions. : ). Just run your ballistics with it, and know your effective range. fallout 76 barbarian vs blocker, tinker tailor soldier sailor nursery rhyme, funny surnames generator, Job, but the Core-Lokt is one helluva deer bullet with a core! 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