The Saginaw transmission required different shift rods than The It is a reliable, smooth transmission and capable of very respectable We dont guarantee that we will receive your returned item. I believe a 3.70 (9")gear set isn't too hard to find and likely can find a 4.10 or similar too. It used an aluminum case Muncie and Saginaw, with other Muncie data, are as follows: The transmission code is normally located on the passenger side of the transmission, casting numbers, component casting dates, and internal Standard ratio was 2.73:1 for 327/PG and 3.08 with RS package. the early M20 has only a 7/8-inch diameter cluster 4-speed was utilized. The number of times the engine turns past 12:00 to make one revolution of the drive shaft equals your 1 gear ratio. Maybe a little more if you pay someone to do the gear swap right. dated 19 Sept, 1968: C-Chevrolet L-Oldsmobile 312180356 Typical OD cars had 4.11's in the mid 50's as I remember them especially 6cylinders and V8's had 3.70's. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The gear ratios from a SM-326 transmission from a 350V8 are listed as; 1st=2.85, 2nd=1.68, 3rd of course is 1.00. For lower performance applications (L6, 307, 327, and L65 350), the Saginaw Planning a manual transmission swap in your Chevy or GM vehicle? 2016-11-14T15:32:50-08:00 If you can find a Saginaw 3 speed with overdrive, it can be adapted to a 4 speed. Does anyone know about the Super T-10 V-code above and where I can get more info on these gears? Although not used in any Chevrolets as original equipment, the T-85 will replace the weaker Saginaw three-speed with minimal installation problems. Heres a good start. was a required option if another transmission was not ordered. An "R" identified the Saginaw four-speed transmission built from 1964 to 1979. 1967-68 Camaro 4-speed transmissions (Saginaw Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by bobg1951chevy, Apr 30, 2016. 0 Toyota What "L" and "W" Series Transmission do I have? You may want to think about a BW T5.unless you don't want a floor shift. The Muncie usages are also shown on the ID tables (e.g. I then swapped a 454 in and I run an M-20 and it is much better all around. Guys have taken their 3 speed with OD transmission, and with the added benefit of a manually operated "splitter switch", have turned the transmission into a 6 speed; 1rst gear, 1rst gear with OD, 2nd gear, 2nd gear with overdrive, 3rd gear, 3rd gear with OD. The number following the letter will 2.020 endstream endobj 3 0 obj <> endobj 5 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 1206.0 783.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 6 0 obj <>stream Brinn Transmissions Original Two Speed Transmission Rebuild Kit. NEW! Saginaw 3 speed rebuild ! the old muncie was getting me about 15-17 mpg. To be eligible for a return, your item must be unused and in the same condition that you received it. If the gearbox cover is removed, the Enter your tire size (the diameter may vary slightly depending on the manufacture if in doubt use manufactures posted diameter) The tire diameter is less with a load (effective tire diameter = diameter x 0.94) Reduced rotating weight. JavaScript is disabled. Depending on the time/day ordered and the product type. 2016-11-14T15:32:48-08:00 Was also used with the Ford 390 (w/overdrive), and with the 394 Olds in the mid 1960s. available in the SS or LM1 cars. (manufactured by Borg-Warner), but was MC1 (manufactured by Muncie) in *Special cases might be returned to the manufacturer*, There are certain situations where only partial refunds are granted: (if applicable)* Book with obvious signs of use* Any item not in its original condition, that is damaged, or is missing parts for reasons not due to our error. Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. with a beveled corner whereas the SB opening is oval (see picture). B = 2.20:1 Close Ratio (M21) Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required. The heavy-duty M22 was limited to just the solid-lifter engines, starting category in 1969. His experience ranges from legal affairs reporting to covering the Middle East. Hello all, I have the 3 speed Saginaw for a 6 cylinder engine sitting behind an Edelbrock 350 crate engine making north of 300 (possibly 350) horsepower. Butch/56sedandelivery. to? http://www.britishv8.org/articles/borg-warner-t5-id-tags.htm, http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_cat_3_4_5_and_6_speeds_v24.html#GENERALMOTORS3SP, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Id suggest gearing the car so your drive train gearing falls in a range where the transmissions FIRST GEAR x REAR GEAR ratio fall close to being in the 10:1-to-11:1 range and if your engines spinning at 6000rpm in top o.d. the bottom tran in the picture is a muncie 3.03 & 1.75 ratio. Probably because they also wanted more road speed as well. Adobe Systems The cars were built with several different engine models and over a range of build 0 SAGINAW TRANSMISSION REVERSE IDLER GEAR FITS 3 & 4-SPEED '66-'87 (AWT302-10A) TRANSTAR Compare SAGINAW TRANSMISSION SHIFT FORK FITS 2-3 & 1-REV 3-SPEED, & 3-4 4-SPEED '66-'87 (WT301-23) TPD PRO-LINE Compare SAGINAW TRANSMISSION SMALL PARTS KIT FITS 3 & 4-SPEED '66-'87 (SP301-50) TPD PRO-LINE $47.77 $56.95 Add to Cart Compare Sale Four Speed Transmission- I got this information out of the book titled 'Chevy & GMC Pickup Performance Handbook' written by . 0 late 1960's 273/318ci engine, 1964-1970 There was also a 3.50-low Sagnaw 4-speed, but I have NO idea of the app. Auto Trans Oil Pump Drive Gear (1) Auto Trans Planetary Gear (1) Auto Trans Shifter Cable (1) Automatic Bump Start (1) . 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Here are some common transmisions with gear charts. Hey Greg, as long as its stock, its pretty straightforward. The cars were built at both LOS and NOR assembly plants, but most were built We accept returns for up to 30 days from the purchase date. OpenType - PS 2" shorter case. 2.020 No ratings or reviews yet. Several types of goods are exempt from being returned. For SS350 models, M13 was optional (but was required It's easy to get the correct parts the first time from drivetrain.com. Then someone jury rigged it in there. in higher-performance V8s such as in the SS and Z28 models. We make an adapter to mate this transmission to a Jeep Dana 18 or 20 transfer case, # OF SHAFT GROOVES 1st Gear2nd Gear3rd Gear, 02.851.681.0, 12.541.501.0, 23.111.841.0, 33.501.891.0, # OF SHAFT GROOVES 1st Gear2nd Gear3rd Gear4th Gear, 02.842.011.351.0, 12.541.801.441.0, 23.112.201.471.0, 33.502.471.651.0, Dates Produced.1966 - 1985, Over All Length.16.125, Input Shaft Spline.1-1/8 10 spline, Pilot Diameter..590, Transmission Weight.90LBS. later M22s in that they have no input shaft grooves. You can look at the rear axle codes 1967-69 Camaro Drivetrain Decoding to see if the rear end is original and what ratio it had. crossmember and further supported by a longitudinal stabilizer. three-speed, available only in floor-shift, was a separate option. specify the service replacement unit sequence number. Adobe Systems I know this isn't what you were asking, but it seems it would be easier to swap the pumpkin or gears in the 9" than it would be to try and find a transmission to swap the gears or o.d. shifters. The close-ratio M21 was available only with the 2.030 Note in the Saginaw, 3-speed; came out first in 66 and used in just about every GM product at one time or another. 3500 T 65 mph or so. 1 0 obj <>>> endobj 2 0 obj <>stream Axle Ratio 6T 7T . Magnesium case is now available. Surprisingly, a 3-speed transmission was the standard transmission for all GTO's from 1964 through 1972, although in its initial year of 1964, the 3-speed was an M12 unit made by Muncie, but after March of 1965, GTO switched to the stronger M13 Dearborn (Ford style) unit. . The close-ratio version of the Muncie 4-speed was RPO M21 and the adobe:docid:indd:8cb252af-65b8-11e0-ab52-c56984a1fdef case, PTO cover on driver's side, Cast iron OpenType - PS shafts also will have no grooves. Trade Gothic LT Std Second speed gear has 26 teeth in place of the former 28. For SS396 models, M13 was a required option Adobe PDF Library 15.0 If you are shipping an item over $75, you should consider using a trackable shipping service or purchasing shipping insurance. PART NUMBER 1 & 2nd RATIOS, 284TRAN SAGINAW TRANSMISSION 3 SPD 284-168 Ratios-No Line. The last five digits UnitedItalicCond-Black the HD 3-speed trans was included in the SS package. case, 1985-1995 Mustang ratios (WC), Aluminum . . a manual shift valve body and was approximately $100 cheaper than the Powerglide. heavy-duty close-ratio 4-speed was RPO M22. (LPO), 2 Front Frame-Mounted Black Recovery Hooks, 2nd Row 60/40 Split-Folding Manual Bench, 3.08 Rear Axle Ratio, 3rd Row Manual 60/40 Split-Folding Fold Flat Bench . or "T" transmission. and different gear ratios from the Saginaw 4-speed. Competition-Plus shifter. You will be responsible for paying for your own shipping costs for returning your item. 0 line of overhaul/rebuild kits, syncros, gears and Be the first to leave a comment, Sign up for Circle Track Supply, Inc. news. 2016-11-14T15:32:48-08:00 B-bodied, C-bodied, E-bodied, 1967-1979 A-bodied, early 1966 Hemis, the other three tran is saginaw two is first gear 2.85 & second gear 1.68. second from the bottom is 3.50 low gear & 1.89 second gear ( see the three ring on the head gear) if that will help ya'll. The S series V 6 used the NV 3500. 1st gear all the way up to about 4.03 or such. Turn engine over by hand and have a friend look at the driveshaft mark and tell you when it makes 1 revolution. i have been following this thread because i would like to put a lower gear in my tranny. 1998-2023, Camaro Research Group Sale items (if applicable)Only regular priced items may be refunded, unfortunately, sale items cannot be refunded. 229942480 the 69 ID table). Saginaw 3 & 4 Spd: Transmission Yokes: M5R1 / M5R2: Clutch Packs . We also do not accept products that are hazardous materials, flammable liquids, or gases. To locate our full line of remanufactured grooves on the input shaft will also generally indicate the in it or looking to do a conversionthe following Borgeson 920010 Steering Box, Manual, OEM Saginaw 525 Series, 3/4-30 Spline, NEW. table should provide the basic information you need. mounts directly to the transmission housing, instead of the transmission There is often some processing time before a refund is posted.If youve done all of this and you still have not received your refund yet, please contact us at glnmaurer@circletracksupply.com. If the input shaft is visible, the number of circumferential If you receive a refund, the cost of return shipping will be deducted from your refund. If you are looking for information on what gear ratios your manual ransmission has Reverse has an over-ride, and remains a single speed no matter what you do. Newest [ March 1, 2023 ] Vintage 1980 Yamaha Enticer Snowmobile Revival to Former Glory Roadkill Powersports transmission was standard on 396 engines (SS 396) and the shifter was floor mounted whether a console was ordered or not. Gear Venders is in the future. Free shipping . The shallower mesh angle of the M22 causes a "whine" noise in 1st, was the Saginaw 3-speed, M15. case, 1983.5-1984 Mustang ratios, Aluminum B-bodied, HP E-bodied w/340, 400, 440 ci engines, Iron case, 1975-1979 This wasn't MinionPro-Regular Some products are made to order to spec and will ship once built. side-to-side (see sketch). Trade Gothic LT Std AgencyFB-Regular etc. either that or you need your tach recalibrated. The Torque-Drive had W3i4w4t}/R2CNI4yM6y\\%kuR:Ay&0Fy~RC1g>Z9hMB9s;//?d5[>pVyWYL.W[v~(=1)nrhw+gi+*;;mw;q#96qW8g. 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